I found this story online. There was a guy who died and came back to life but remembered things which occurred while he was dead. But he explains that when you are dead you are in a place which is "based on eternity", while the world we live in is "based on time". The most interesting thing he said was that "Logic and reasoning doesn't happen here". I tried to find more about this belief he has, but this seems to be the only instance of him mentioning it. A very weird story and person.
http://www.mickeyrobinson.com/video.php (Christian religious website)
p-Mickey Robinson died and came back to life with memories during his death
p-Mickey states that there is a spiritual world outside of our world
p-Mickey states that logic & reasoning does not exist in the spiritual world
c-Logic and reasoning does not exist in the spiritual world
Inductive, weak, not cogent
I dunno, maybe it would be strong, if we assume all the premises are true it seems likely that it would be true. Certainly not cogent, there is no way to tell if the premises are true, and of course pre-existing bias might make us think this.
ReplyDeleteI have actually read a book about dying and coming back to life. It was called "Heaven is For Real" and it is about a child who dies and then comes back to life. Throughout the story, the child gets sick and "dies", but comes back after just a few minutes. People did not know the child had "died" until he started talking about Jesus and God. He told his mother that the man in heaven told him to be good and he would be able to live for a long time. He also asked his father why he was so angry with god because when he had this experience he was looking over his father and seeing how angry he was. I found it very interesting 1) because I believe in God and heaven and 2) because a child would not lie about something like that. The innocence of a child makes a story much more interesting in my opinion because they are not biased and they just tell it how it is.
ReplyDeleteI did read that little kid's story, but this other guy talked about logic and reasoning which threw up the red flag for posting. I also liked the part where he said things are based on eternity. So logic and reasoning must be reserved for the tangible world only. Arguments wouldn't exist. Fallacies wouldn't either obviously. Just a bunch of anticipated truth.
ReplyDeleteThat sounds pretty interesting to me. Logic is present in so much every day life that we do not notice. I have been paying attention recently and you can detect fallacies just about anywhere. I find them in every day conversation, television shows, and movies as well. I agree that logic, fallacies, and arguments would not exist without the tangible world.
ReplyDeleteI think I agree with Brian that the argument is a strong one. The only fallacy it risks committing, as far as I can see, is an appeal to unqualified authority. But, assuming that Mr. Robinson's experiences really happened, then that would make him qualified on the subject. The only way to test for cogency would be to die ourselves and then come back to life, which I would guess happens very rarely.
ReplyDeleteI struggled with this one. I agree that the argument is strong and uncogent because you have to assume the premises are true to determine strength. I agree with the fallacy of unqualified authority. We have no clue if this guy is lying or not and nobody can be called an expert on death...it's usually a one time thing. I also thing that this could be ad populum indirect. In this fallacy, the arguer appeals to reader’s desire for security, love, and respect, which is exactly what this guy does. Since this video is on a religious website, this video is clearly trying to make people feel this security and love coming from God in another life. Whether it is all true or not is undeterminable.
ReplyDeleteWill, I think you hit the nail right on the head. I definitely saw before that this committed an appeal to unqualified authority, but the ad populum indirect seems to fit as well. I also agree with JonDavid in the fact that you could probably not judge death unless you have died. Everyone has valid points :).
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